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Well, the fact that we provided this specific material to Johnson gave me an opportunity to see him about various things, and from time to time I did visit him. From late in December of '58, through '60 and until he became Vice President, I saw him frequently because either I saw him about things he was interested in or things I was interested in that he also became interested in or was interested in in connection with legislation.

Did it intrigue him, a man of action as he proved himself to be, that a woman on her own initiative did these things and proved herself a person of action, too?

Well, I think in a way it did, but, you know, he took so much action himself that the things that he was most aware of about me were really my interests in health and medical research and how it might relate to illness, I think. He knew I was interested in desalinization, later, and he interested me, actually, when I went to see him maybe in February of that year, '59, in the need for special housing for older people, which he talked about with such sympathy, the plight of older people and how they had no place to live and there was no special consideration given them because people living on social security couldn't spend as much as people earning money, and that some special considerations had to be found, not only for the disabilities of older people but also for their reduced earning capacities. So that he was extremely moved by this, and he said to us, “You know, we're going to have a big housing bill. I need