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interested in the Library, so let's give it where they're interested.”

Well, this was true, and they really pretended that the center wasn't going to exist and they had no interest whatever in it at all. And when I asked President Johnson to give a dinner and help us to get some people to contribute to it, he, too, said, well, he really didn't want to raise money at the White House. And when I asked Lady kind to help us, even to give a tea for the members of the board after a meeting, I got some excuse about that; so that the Johnsons felt no interest and some hostility, I think, because of the difficulties that Bob Kennedy and the President have had with each other. I got into a feeling of that we were in a cross rough, and I was really very worried about finally getting enough money together to get the matching money from the Congress and the whole thing might disappear.

In the meantime, Roger Stevens was very unreliable in things that he promised to do in a strange way without realizing it. He doesn't do things out of meanness. It's done out of absent-mindedness, I think. And I was really desperate about it, and so was Lem Billings many times.

Did Stevens and Billings also feel this between the two?