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were, they would have come forward and made themselves known to me or to somebody around me. I don't know them. There may be other people who wish them well and would do the same, but they haven't gotten up and done it. Now, maybe if I had met some other people, I would have gotten them to do it. I must say I brought DeBakey into the doing of this and I brought Farber into the doing of it. But they did it and they continue to do it and they fight in their own communities. Of course the AMA thinks that DeBakey is crazy because he's come out for health insurance and medicare and this is perfectly terrible. Most of the AMA people are against cancer, heart and stroke centers, which is his recommended in the commission.

Does Farber have any standing with the AMA?

No, but he's always been a full-time professor, Harvard professor, and in Boston the AMA doesn't have so much say as it has in Houston, Texas. Mike has to fight in Texas where their people are kind of openly commercially minded, more so than in Boston. Is this fair to say? Something like that. Anyway there's a kind of conservative reactionarism in