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general in Texas that DeBakey finds very hard to cope with. He isn't in sympathy with most of the medical people.

But Farber moves in more intellectual circles.

Yes, but he hasn't gotten along with the dean of Harvard, George Packer Berry, for years because Berry has been against the National Institutes of Health having more money. He's taken the money for Harvard, about $20 million a year, but he's spit on the money and been epposed to Farber urging money. Fantastic, isn't it?

It's like your illustration of the Belgian woman who accepted the operation but if it failed. . .

Yes, said, “I'll ruin you if I die.”

Well, these are the people who have given me the greatest help and comfort. There have been many, many others like Irving Wright and others, but Irving Wright is more conservative and is a wonderful friend, but much more conservative in his thinking about the scale on which thing should be operated. But as he was on the Cancer, Heart and Stroke Commission and