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be done. They had to borrow money after all to do things.

I also went to Mr. Algernon S. Frissell of the Fifth Avenue Bank, although the Fifth Avenue Bank didn't lend money on inferior properties like that. He knew bankers who did and I knew him. I was able to talk to him openly, honestly and frankly.

Other people in the Consumers' League and on the Committee on Safety also had contacts. Anne Morgan was a great strength and a great help in this. Although I don't suppose that Brother Jack (J.P. Morgan, Jr.) listened to his sister very much, she did make an impression, after all, on other people. Mr. Morgan's nod that something was all right meant a great deal in those days.

I met with a good many of them individually. We brought up the trade union groups. By this time this was all a matter of great civic interest. We kept it alive in the papers naturally. Citizens never got over the shock of the Triangle Fire. You could always get a chance to speak to various citizens' bodies. I spoke to ever so many of them. You found somebody who knew somebody in the real estate world and got invited.

In other words, the problem of rebuilding for fire prevention and accident prevention was put to them on moral grounds, although I tried to put it to them, and to a certain