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give my conclusions, but he always wanted to get the information on the basis of which you'd come to your conclusions - your conclusion that there ought to be a shorter work day for women, or your conclusion that there ought to be a law about guarding machinery, or your conclusion about extending the workmen's compensation act. He wanted to know why you thought that. “What did you see? What did you learn? Where did you learn it?” He would invite you practically to give him a verbatim description of factories you had seen, the way people worked, what they did, what their hours were, when they came in, where they went when they went home and so on.

He always listened very attentively once he got you started. He never took any notes, but I've had the experience of having episodes that I had related to him verbatim come back in a speech or in a public hearing a year later or two years later. When Mark Daly, or one of the manufacturers associations, would be telling him something or making a statement, he would say, “I understand there are some factories in this state....” Out would come this episode that I had told him. “Could that be?” he would say.

“Well, Governor, now it might. There are all kinds of places.”

“Isn't that kind of dangerous, Mr. So-and-so?” He