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appointed at all. Who would ever think of that? There never had been such a thing. It wasn't in the pattern. It would be most unlikely that anybody who wasn't a real Democrat - registered and doing something about it - would be appointed. My connections were all with the reformers. My husband was in the Mitchel administration which wasn't much thought of in Tammany Hall or in Democratic circles generally. I didn't know the political pattern at all and I had no connections and no ambition. It never would have crossed my mind.

I thought, “That's just crazy for Louis Havene to think of a thing like that. It couldn't possibly be because none of the factors are favorable and it's just something that Havens has dreamed up because he likes me. I know he likes me very much because I was kind of brave when they were having the investigations of the Industrial Commission. I stood up and said they weren't any good right in the public eye in a public hearing. I said the present Industrial Commission was not constituted in such a way as to make a sound administration of the labor law possible.” That's the kind of thing you don't say if you're in politics or if you expect political preferment. Havens had thought that was very brave.