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I could be brave in those days. I had no ambitions. I had no political commitments. I didn't have to protect anybody. I could speak out openly. I never expected to get any political preferment. If you don't expect it, you don't have to give service to it. I never did really. That's honestly true. I never had any ambition political or other for that matter. I was serving “the law and my God.” That was all right with me.

That's why Havens had liked me and thought well of me. I figured it out and it was just nonsense. I didn't even mention it to anybody. I didn't even mention it to Henry Bruere, whose advice I always asked about everything. I didn't even mention it to him because it seemed to me totally unworthy and unlikely. I'm pretty sure that it was between election and inauguration that he said, because having heard no more about it, I went on with my work. I didn't even go to the inauguration. I was invited because I had been on the committee for X, Y, Z. Nobody else but Louis Havens ever said anything to me about it. It never occurred again so I just thought of it as one of Louis Havens' big dreams.

I came to Washington to make a visit in about the second week in January. On a Sunday morning I was called to the telephone. It was Abram I. Elkus, who was a distinguished New York lawyer who had been the Counsel for the Factory