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They answer a question, reveal themselves.

On one occasion I remember so clearly that I got such a good picture of the mining industry from him and all about his life and background. We were up in Rome, New York, or maybe Skaneateles. I think it was the time when we had the big strike in Rome. It was a strike in the copper industry. I had been up alone first. I think it was John Flynn who telephoned me. He was a labor organizer of the Metal Polishers Union and had been a metal polisher most of his life. He telephoned me first to tell me there was a strike on up there, it was terrible, it was just coming to nothing, the men were having a rough time, nobody was doing anything for them, they were going to lose and yet they were right. He said, “Now you know me and you know I wouldn't mislead you. They are right. Call Packy Downey who'd been up there for your Commission.”

I did call Packy Downey. He told me they were right and that they had lower wages. I suppose Downey's name was Patrick, but he was known always as Packy. He was a lovely man. I was devoted to him. He was about sixty-five years old at that time, or maybe a little younger, but he looked settled. He had an Irish smile on his face and a lilt to his eye. When he thought things were hard, he still had a smile. He was an amusing fellow. He was in Albany and had been out