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situation privately. Then he brought somebody else with him, who was a very nice, quiet, but middle-aged man. Percy was younger. Between them they made it perfectly clear that they wished to dissociate themselves from Mr. Spargo. He was not their kind of a man. They did not use foul language and kick people down stairs and shoot into crowds wildly. They dissociated themselves. He might make copper wire, but he was not their kind of people. They made it perfectly clear to me that he was an outsider who had come into Rome. He was no better than he ought to be and so forth.

When it came to meeting a committee, they had about the same feeling that Mr. Spargo had, only they were more refined in their expression of it. They weren't going to meet anybody. That's all there was to it. They would talk to me until the cows came home. I asked them to get all the other employers. They came and had a talk with me and Harvey Ferris, but they did not bring Mr. Spargo.

My plan of action was the usual trick. You meet the workers and you find out what their complaints are. You know what they are. You've been told. But you meet them so they will know you know what they are. You go through the motions of listening to them so that they will know you've listened to them. If they think that Packy Downey knew