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as at an ordinary hearing - trying to proceed with order. The employers were all there except Spargo. He wasn't there. He had gone out of town and nobody could find him. But the others were all there - the man from the kittleshop and all the others. The man who had built the palace on the outside of town was there. Harvey Ferris was there as their lawyer. Bill Collins and Johnny Flynn were ostensibly there representing the union and being the only labor people there. Then there were a lot of mixed up Italians, Poles and other people who were workers and sort of self appointed spokesmen. There wasn't any real, basic labor union organization. It was a roughly tossed together union. They were sitting on the other side from the employers.

We asked the workers to state publicly what they had said to us that morning was the very lowest level of wages that they would accept. They did. They stated why. They stated their grievances publicly, how badly they'd been treated, how humiliated they had been by their employers, how humiliated they had been because the employers wouldn't talk with a committee. They repeated publicly that he'd come out and booted them literally downstairs. That was very humiliating and they pounded their chests about it.

At this time I got the firm idea that the primary