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I suppose there were conflicts in the people around Smith, but not serious ones. Smith was the kind of a person who didn't like conflicts and wouldn't have them. He was on to things. He was on to whatever was going on. You couldn't pull the wool over his eyes if you wanted to.

Franklin Roosevelt, on the other hand, was the sort of person around whom conflicts would naturally grow up. I don't think he liked them. In fact, he hated a row. He just hated a row. He would try to placate people and not face right up to the facts. He would say, “I hear you had a row with So-and-so.” He wouldn't face up to it that way. He would placate this one and would placate that one, always on the theory that it would blow over and that time would settle many things, as indeed it did. He was dealing in highly controversial matter at the time. He didn't have the full, honest political support of the people who pulled wires in his own political party. He had to play them. He wasn't their bird. He had to play them, therefore there was bound to be controversy about what he was planning to do and he would have to break the news to them. I've been with him many times when he broke the news to members of Congress as to what he hoped to do. He nearly always did it in a kind of offhand way. He didn't tell them the full story. He got them happy first. He always thought that if you got