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people happy, they'd buy your bill of goods, it would be all right and they'd go along. To a certain extent they did, but he was always having rebellions. After having gone along out of sheer delight in his society, I've heard them before they even got out of the White House turn and begin to argue with each other and begin to say, “That wasn't right. You don't understand what he got you to promise.”

In other words, he had a less direct method of operating, but I don't think he could have operated with his own nature much of any other way. He didn't have that firm, secure support that Al Smith always knew he had of the regular organization, which is a wonderful thing to have. Al Smith always leaned back on that. He knew he had it. He didn't have to think about it. Therefore, when he approached a row among his supporters, he'd approach it directly. He knew the regular organization was going to stand by him and not by you, some upstart from the reformers' crowd. He knew that you knew it too and that you wouldn't begin to have as much force as he did.

Another thing was that Smith had his own corps of mediators. Johnny Gilchrist was one of them. Johnny Gilchrist was his close, close, personal, boyhood friend, who had grown to be a considerably rich man. He was the