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Mrs. Kelley.”

I went out and said, “Oh, what did you do, Mrs. Kelley? I know of my own knowledge, because I heard it, that the Governor is not taking the position of the Catholic Church, that the Catholic Church has taken no authoritative or official position, though some of the clergy have. The Governor has not succumbed to it and has not given in to it. I know it.”

“Why doesn't he interfere?”

“You can't interfere with everything in the Assembly. It's a matter of political strategy and timing. You have to get things along as you can,” and so forth.

She went out breathing wrath against Al Smith. This went on for two or three years. She couldn't get over that. She finally got over it and I think she was for him in the '28 campaign. She finally became convinced by the Goldmark girls (Josephine and Pauline) and myself and some of the other people. There was a man from Buffalo who gave a lot of money and a lot of good advice. He convinced her that Smith was okay. Josephine Goldmark was the one who wrote the brief for Louis Brandeis when he argued the hours of labor law before the Supreme Court. We all contributed. Mrs. Kelley went all out for that and it was a very beautiful piece of work.