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known him before. He was right at the height of his popularity in New York City and New York State and could do no wrong. Everything he did was right. This, of course, was reflected to the delegates in what they read in the paper and heard on the subway. We had a wonderful Governor in this state.

This hospitality breakfast had all the women delegates, all the alternates and a great many wives of delegates. How they were selected, I don't know, but I suppose it was on the basis of their importance, or some such thing. It was a very large breakfast. It was there that I began to discover a great doubt in the minds of the delegates about Smith. Mrs. Moskowitz, in some way or other, was very important in the arrangements. She asked me to make a speech at this breakfast. There were other people making speeches too, but what she wanted me to do was to make a speech about what Smith was really like. She explained to me what their prejudices were going to be and so on. There was this extreme Catholic prejudice which they had which they mixed up with prejudice against the Irish and low life, all that kind of thing.

I doped out what I could say about Smith as a Governor and politician, but also as a person, which would serve to relieve some of that dislike of him. His personality seemed to them to be kind of rough, East Sided New York. What they'd heard about his wife was that she was common as mud, and so