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I see him. He said he'd be glad to come over to the Department to see me. I didn't want him to do that. I didn't want him to show his face in the Department for a number of reasons.

I didn't want the Commissioner to think I was dealing with him, nor did I want the Department people to say, “Oooh, the boss of Tammany Hall turned up.”

I went over to Tammany Hall to see him. By this time Tammany Hall had gone up in the world and had moved to that beautiful new building on 17th and 4th Avenue - just on the north corner of Union Square. I guess the Ladies Garment Workers are there now. This was the building that Tammany Hall had built to order for itself. They abandoned the old place on 14th Street for this new thing. That was typical of Curry, although Curry hadn't had it built because he'd just come in. But he had been among the group that agitated to have a new building. Curry was new. Curry was modern. Curry wasn't the old roughneck leader of Tammany Hall.

Charlie Murphy was no roughneck. He often gave that impression, but he was a very courteous, well-trained and I guess pretty well-educated man. At any rate, he was quite on to how to handle himself whenever he showed himself publicly. But there were a good many sachems of Tammany Hall who just fairly rolled around, murdered the King's