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At any rate, all these things combined led us to a more intense effort to get the general occupational disease law into the law of the State of New York. We finally did get it, though I can't remember the year it was passed. It was while I was still in the New York Labor Department. I recall with great intensity the prolonged conferences that we had and the effort of organizing those conferences. I tried never to be satisfied with the representation nominated by somebody or other of the Associated Industries, but to get the manufacturers themselves, not their hired men. I had a considerable affection for Mark Daly, who was their Executive Secretary for a good many years. He was resident in Buffalo and he had been hired by the associated manufacturers to be their lobbyist. It was really called Associated Industries. It was an organization of manufacturers and merchants in the State of New York. I don't know when it got started, but they seemed to have appeared as early as 1920, or perhaps earlier. The Associated Industries was a part of the National Association of Manufacturers. The National Association of Manufacturers always invites all these state organizations into their membership. They come in as organization members - the whole organization is included. When the NAM gives you the list or number of their members, they don't mean that everyone of those men has joined