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or a group of about ten or fifteen of them, about once a month on one excuse or another. It was always with good results in understanding and good results in bringing some of them over to a part, at least, of our way of thinking about legislation. I can't remember their names, but their faces are as plain as can be to me. They were, of course, a select group. They weren't the run of the mill people.

Among other people in the manufacturing group, we got to know Owen D. Young very well and Gerard Swope of the General Electric. They were always very helpful. They were very willing to be used as an experiment. They'd have their plant used as an experiment on something or other.

The Solvay Process Company of Syracuse was owned by the Hazards - Mr. Frederick Hazard. It was the same family, although another branch, that owned the great textile mills at Peace Dale, Rhode Island and that produced a great lady in Miss Caroline Hazard, who was a considerable literary person and also the President of Wellesley for many years - a very able woman. The Hazards who owned the Solvay Process Company during the time that I was in the Labor Department in New York were persons whom I knew before I ever knew them in a manufacturing way. Mrs. Frederick Hazard was a member of the Consumers' League. They were both members of various church and religious bodies. In other words, they were