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The financial strain, the emotional strain, the intellectual strain, and the pure physical strain of running here, there and everywhere, and looking after so many people, pretty nearly killed him. His wife survived, but something happened to her mentality. She lit out and divorced him after that. I don't know of anybody I ever felt sorrier for than for this young man. He never did come up. He got very down below the waters so he couldn't swim. He practised law until he died five or six years ago, but he was undistinguished.

I knew him fairly well at the time he was there with Marvin. He told me a lot about Roosevelt's incapacity to understand the law. He said, “He's a nice fellow. I feel sorry for him. But we never can make a lawyer of him. Marvin is very fond of him and very attached to him. I do respect the personal friendship, but we never can make a lawyer of Roosevelt. He hasn't got the kind of a mind that lawyer's minds are made of. He comes to conclusions. He hasn't got the patience to work things out. He's useful because he has a lot of friends and does bring business to the office.” He had some insurance company connections that he'd brought into the office - Roosevelt did. All that I know is that de Rhoode spoke disparagingly of him as a lawyer, which is no secret. At that moment it was news