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to me. He'd graduated from law school and I'd supposed he was as good a lawyer as anybody else. This is what I heard from a young man who was not a partner in the law firm, but was one of the people who did the work. He was just gossiping casually about Roosevelt who wasn't a very important figure at the moment.

When he went into Basil O'Connor's firm, and why, I don't know. I suppose he was invited in. I think Roosevelt needed the money, but more than that he needed to do something. He needed to practise his profession. If you've been sick and in exile, you need to practise your profession, have an office to go to, a place to see people, and not be hanging around the bedroom with all the children romping around. It's not a good way for a man to make a recovery. I don't know how much he needed the money. I don't suppose he was in poverty. I don't mean to say that, but he had a sizable family and you don't expect your mother to support all of them. What's more he wanted to practise law. He wanted to be somebody.

Between '24 and '28 Roosevelt's comeback as a political leader was just mentioned off and on. We were all discussing Al Smith's likelihood of being nominated for President. The discussion would go something like this - “If Al Smith is nominated for President, to carry the State of New York