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have this hard-boiled experience that Al had had. He'd need a lot of help. He had things all planned out for him. He kept thinking of more and more and more things that needed to be taken up with Frank, more and more things to tell him.

Just between you and me it was even very difficult for Al to move out of the Executive Mansion. That, of course, he knew he had to do. It was almost the way a girl feels when she's married, leaving her toys, books and home. She sort of expects she'll be going back home frequently. She may not, but she sort of expects it's still going to be home, and she can have the privileges of that home. I remember that that was difficult for Al and that they didn't even take everything that was purely personal.

He didn't have any place to live in New York City. They'd sold the house in Oliver Street. Anyhow he'd been Governor a long time and it was no longer suitable to live in Oliver Street. The children had grown up. Emily was married. I guess the two older boys were married. They had to find a place to live in New York. Somebody found them an apartment and that was all right, but there's nothing familiar about a Fifth Avenue apartment. It didn't seem like home. The Executive Mansion was familiar. They always kept a couple of rooms in some hotel so that when they came to New York