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washed out, but he isn't. He's still a live flame, but of course he's considerably older. He's made social work a matter of great interest to the whole community, which it was not originally.

When we began on this kind of thing, social work, and the things that were done in the name of social work, were just beginning to be news, but they were really newsy. If one could read some of the files of the good newspapers like the New York Evening Post of that period, one would find the most interesting news articles about various projects in social work. They were not written up in the sob-sister style at all. It was all very important work and was newsworthy with everything else that happened in New York.

I knew the Pinchots. I knew Amos. They were Bull Moosers, but they were the sort of people out of whom much that was the New Deal sprang later on.

I knew William H. Woodin at this time. He was the President of the American Car and Foundry Company. It was a very profitable company and he'd become very rich. He was president of the Merchants Association in New York City. William Fellowes Morgan was in that association, and William J. Schieffelin. There were very good people in the Merchants Association. They were not money grubbers. They were people who recognized New York as a great mercantile area, but also a great city. They loved the city with a true and perfect