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was a careful clerical person. He would go over every sentence and every paragraph and see that it was right. He could write a good rule and have it mean just what it said.

He was not anxious to plunge ahead. He had become very, very much of a friend of Mark Daly, who was Secretary of the Associated Industries of New York, and their principal lobbyist. I never knew anything dishonest about Mark, but he was a great fellow to know how to make friends and influence people, particularly the latter. I don't think he ever gave Cullen a bribe or anything else, but certainly he eased Cullen's path to many things. Cullen just hated to do anything that Daly didn't want him to do, or that Daly didn't want to have done. It was always difficult to pull Cullen along over a code that Daly and the Associated Industries didn't want - but I don't think for a minute that Cullen was dishonest. I never saw anything about him that made me think he was dishonest. He just personally hated to do it. He would hold it back. He would find reasons for delaying it.

I learned an awful lot from him how you handle delaying tactics to prevent things you don't want from happening. You take it under consideration again. You consult somebody else who hasn't been thought of before. You ask to have the full record of the hearing prepared and read that. Then