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opposed to them. They, at least, wouldn't have it in their hearts to ask for a variation that would endanger life or limb.

It wasn't the Tammany leaders who were so difficult. The more difficult leaders were the upstate ones. There was an old leader in Syraouse attached to one of the banks who was a real old-timer. He couldn't see the sense of anything. I used to go see him every time I was in Syracuse. Our office was near his office at the bank. I'm pretty sure that he got the idea eventually. I won't say that he became an enthusiast for this kind of legislation, but at least he began to offer fewer and fewer objections to orders that were filed on his constituents who came to him. I went out of my way for him, because he was a pretty good man. He was a man of considerable inner political integrity. He hated Republicans. He wouldn't do any business with them. He was honest in his own view.

There was a firm on the outskirts of Syracuse that had beautiful conditions. It was a model. I said to him, “Now, look here, if you want to see what I mean by truly enclosed stairways (he'd been fighting that for one of his constituents) you come with me out to this firm and I'll show you what a truly enclosed stairway is, why it's so good and so safe. You