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in Albany during the Smith administration. I don't think of him in politics at all and he wasn't in politics as such. There were plenty of social workers coming and going in Albany for one thing or another. There were housing associations, there were mothers' pensions projects, there were public health operations that had to have bills through. So there were various social workers that would come and go, but I don't happen to remember Hopkins. At least at this moment I don't recall Hopkins in Albany during the Smith administration, although I know from the record that he was there occasionally.

My impression is that he must have been there in connection with many of Homer Folks's projects. Homer Folks always had a way of cottoning to any Governor. He was always very cozy with any Governor, no matter who it was. He had great political strength in any administration because he always made a point of knowing the Governor and knowing the members of the Legislature. That gave him a good deal of standing for the things that the State Charities Aid had to do throughout the state.

I remember how Hopkins got into all this. He got in through the hospitals. Not only Homer Folks but Dr. Hermann Biggs was concerned with the building of hospitals - not only the state hospitals, but tuberoulosis hospitals. Biggs