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and Folks between them had interested Al Smith very much in the condition of the hospitals and had done it in the same way that I had interested him in the conditions of factories - by taking him to show him. Biggs was Health Commissioner under Smith. Smith had never seen a state hospital. He knew nothing about the care of the insane, or the problem of how you care for them, but he was shocked, as a human being, by what he saw when he was taken around to the state hospitals - the over crowding, the lack of attendants. There was always the statement, “We wouldn't have to herd these people in here and lock them up if we had more attendants.” There was that kind of story that he'd hear when he'd ask a normal question.

So Smith very early in his administration launched into a program for better appropriations and better building for state mental hospitals. At the same time Smith became concerned about the state tuberculosis hospitals and the provision for them. There were a good many cities who had their own tuberculosis work, but Homer Folks, and Biggs too, were pressing for more state appropriations to stamp out tuberculosis.

It was at this point that Hopkins came into the picture, because he, after all, was in charge of the Tuberculosis Association. To him would be given, and I'm sure was given - not by Smith, but by the other social