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workers, the Health Commissioner, and so forth - the duty of outlining what could be done by the state and what ought to be done, and the job of presenting it to the Governor and the members of the Legislature to get them interested in it. It was at that point that he entered Smith's life and became acquainted with Smith.

I know that Hopkins often said that he got interested in politics by getting interested in Al Smith, which, of course, was almost my own experience. I'm pretty sure that that was the way in which he got the connection with Smith - through concern about tuberculosis hospitals. Whether or not Smith appointed him on any special committees, I can't say, but I do remember that Hopkins was in some capacity attached to the Reconstruction Commission which Belle Moskowitz invented and operated. She was the executive secretary of it. Whether Hopkins was a member of it or just working for it I don't know, but I suspect the latter. He was working for it probably not as a direct employee, but as loaned by the Tuberculosis Association. One of the things that was characteristic of this Reconstruction Commission was that they didn't pay anybody to do anything. They got most of their service from interested organizations and societies and groups, who lent them people. Whatever study the commission asked them to undertake was already a part