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good deal and a man of rather high-minded attitudes. I think I thought from the very beginning that he had peculiarly honest and honorable attitudes. I remember thinking that a man like that would be clear of the involvements that sometimes caught up with Tammany Hall leaders. I remember saying something like that to Roosevelt.

He said, “Well, of course, Jim is in a different position. He's never been a part of New York City. He's strictly a Rockland County boy. He's never had to be in these things and I guess he is clear of them. He's kind of innocent in that phase. All of which is very good.”

I didn't get to know Jim Farley well at that time. I got to know him well later, but not before the election. I knew him, however, and I knew him favorably at this time. He was around Albany during those years because he was Boxing Commissioner. However, I didn't see much of him. He didn't sit in the Governor's council, which was made up of the heads of the most important departments. We had a meeting once a week - two o'clock on Thursdays, I think. He wasn't in that group. The Governor saw him more privately and personally.

Very early he got the idea, from Louis Howe or someone, that he could be a political consultant. He began to be a political consultant. Guernsey Cross was still around as the