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Governor's Secretary. He was awfully dumb and never knew what was going on. He was very useful for that reason. He could be very bland and calm about things that other people got wrought up about. Farley began to be in and out of the Governor's office a good deal. Even then he was making plans about the future. Long before January of '32 when Roosevelt's hat went in the ring, Jim was making visits to every part of the U.S.A. He went out to observe and to see people all over the U.S.A. He had a perfect cover so that nobody realized what he was doing. He was seeing what he could do by way of lining up sentiment for Roosevelt and at the same time he was testing the natural sentiment of the people already in control of the state committees. I think he did some wangling to get some changes made in state committee members. I don't know exactly what happened and I didn't know what happened until the campaign to nominate Roosevelt was on. Then I got occasional outbursts from some people who said, “That fellow Farley came out here. He talked ‘So-and-So' into resigning. I don't know how he did it, but suddenly ‘So-and-So' became chairman of the local committee.” In other words, he did fix up some changes of membership and changes of officership of local state, municipal and county Democratic committees.

That of course was why when the political crisis of