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Farley, but Farley wasn't telling the world. As a matter of fact, politically speaking it's just the thing you don't tell in the State of New York if you're trying to elect your man for Governor. They're interested in their Governor. They feel very differently about a man if he's running for President. I don't think many people saw the build-up and I don't think that Al Smith did. Of course, I don't know for sure whether Smith smelled a rat.

During this period I saw Smith occasionally. I saw Mrs. Moskowitz. Nothing that Mrs. Moskowitz said ever gave me the impression that they thought Roosevelt was being built up for President at that time. Later on, of course, when Farley was doing it openly and moving around very rapidly, they knew it and saw it then. Even then they didn't think it would amount to a row of pins. Mrs. Moskowitz knew it by the next year, but I don't think she suspected at the time of this campaign.

It was not a difficult campaign curiously. Tuttle was a strangely unattractive man, although he was a good candidate. He was one of the best candidates the Republicans could have named.

There were some new faces in the Roosevelt entourage. I didn't see much of Sam Rosenman, but I know that he was there in the background. I know that his office was in that