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Roosevelt that Mrs. Moskowitz knew the recommendation had been made and would be willing. She asked me once if I ever had and I lied and said, “No,” because I thought it was better that there should be no further bitterness there.

Whether Roosevelt ever talked to Louis Howe about this, I don't actually know, not from Roosevelt's lips. Louis Howe hated Mrs. Moskowitz. He detested her. He told me a year or so later, “Do you know that Al Smith had the effrontery to recommend to Franklin that he take Mrs. Moskowitz into his own office as secretary? Isn't that the most terrible thing you ever heard of!”

I said, “Now, Louis, don't get so sore. Al thought the world of her and he was giving his best adviser. There's nothing so bad about that.”

He was very close to Roosevelt and I don't know whether Roosevelt asked him directly what he thought. I do know that within a few days after my talk with Al Smith, when I asked Roosevelt if he had come to any conclusion, he said to me, “Al called me up. He obviously wanted to come up and help me about something or other. I knew he wanted to make this proposal about Mrs. Moskowitz again. So I thought I'd better deal with it over the telephone. It's sort of easier. I said I did want him to come up and I wanted very much to talk over a problem with him and wanted his advice. Then I said to him, ‘Al about that other thing you suggested to me about