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private dining rooms. You could have a small supper party there. It had a big open dining room. It had a beer garden down at one end which was just beer, I guess. People came in and sat down just to get a beer. However, it was also a good restaurant.

The Tammany Hall people all used to go to Scheffel Hall. When they'd get through with a meeting at Tammany Hall, they'd go over to Scheffel Hall and have a glass of beer, or have supper. If you wanted to find a Tammany leader and he wasn't at the Hall or at his own clubhouse, you sent somebody around to see if he was at Scheffel Hall. He usually would be.

I, of course, as a young lady never went hunting for politicians in Scheffel Hall. It would have been very shocking. The Tammany politicians were nothing if not correct and proper. They were very proper in their attitude towards ladies - really superior. They wouldn't have understood it at all. That would have been regarded as very rough and could not have been done. However, I had been able to go and get other people to see if The McManus was at Scheffel Hall.

The man who must have gone often to Scheffel Hall was Benjamin Marsh. He's still alive [1952]. I don't know whether he's coherent now or not, because he's had periods when he wasn't too coherent because he was so excited about