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some circles Senator is regarded more important than Governor. I don't happen to so think. I remember once she said something about being a Senator, and I argued with her. I said I didn't think the Senator from New York had anything like as good an opportunity to be of use as the Governor of the State of New York. Whereas, it might be different in some of the western states where the Governor had very little authority, status and opportunity for leadership, certainly in the State of New York it was a great post. I though it was greater than that of Senator. I was anxious to keep Al alive. He was too young, too vigorous, too intelligent to be allowed to die a political death.

Mrs. Moskowitz didn't have the feeling about New York that Al and I did. New York was just a place to her. I really don't even know where she was from.

I knew in this period of '30 and '31, before the Democratic convention, that a good many of Smith's best political friends, including Raskob and a number of others, such as Judge Victor Dowling, I think, told him, and tried to convince him, that he couldn't possibly be nominated, that the Democratic party would not nominate him. Although I didn't know the inside workings of the Democratic party, what their delegates would do, or who controlled them, it was my understanding, from my experience in the field in