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I don't mean to say that I ran back and forth and said to each what the other thought, but occasionally I would say to Governor Roosevelt, “I saw Al the other day and he said ‘thus and so.' He thinks ‘something or other.'”

The Governor would always say, “Well, that's interesting. That's a good idea.” I don't think he went into it deeply, but it was a “good idea.”

I never had any feeling, at that time, of a mission in trying to keep the two together. There was a breach to heal, and yet again there wasn't. Later on I did have a sense of mission in trying to heal the breach. But at this time I was aware that a breach could take place and I was anxious to prevent it. At the same time I was anxious to develop for Al a good position in American life where he could be something and be somebody. I thought always in terms of his being Governor again, really. I remember saying that once to Mrs. Moskowitz and she was a little snooty about it. She said, “Well, after all, he's been Governor.”

I said, “Yes, but being Governor of New York is one of the greatest posts there is, a post of great usefulness and certainly one for which he has total equipment and which would make him happy.”

I remember she still thought there ought to be something more and that he ought to go forward in life. In