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see Smith. Also, I knew Mrs. Moskowitz well and she was always calling me up about the Governor speaking somewhere or other. I contributed items to his speeches. She always referred to Smith as “the Governor.” I would contribute from time to time if I was asked to - just a couple of paragraphs on a subject that he wanted to talk about.

I never had any feeling when I talked to Roosevelt about Smith that there was feeling between them. I knew there was. I knew that Mrs. Moskowitz had a deep feeling and I knew that she needled Al. I knew that Al was less interested in hearing what Roosevelt said, did and thought than Roosevelt was in hearing what Al thought, but I remember thinking at the time that that was perhaps because Al was out and Roosevelt was in. The man who is in is naturally more magnanimous and his feelings aren't as hurt. He doesn't suffer the pangs of jealousy, whatever they may be - that subtle, queer, corroding thing inside of a man's nature which he hardly recognizes and certainly doesn't give a name to. When Mrs. Moskowitz needled Al, it roused this strange, corroding influence. When Louis Howe needled Roosevelt, it merely made Roosevelt feel superior and sympathetic. He wasn't being jockeyed out of place. So there was a difference in the natural emotional reaction.