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I said, “Well, you know, after all new Governors have not had the experience of being governor for many years before. They do all right. Anyhow, we've got to trust it. Suppose Al had been President. What would have happened? We all anticipated that Al wasn't going to hang around here running New York. He was going to go to Washington and be President.”

“Well, he could have helped him.”

“The amount of help a President can give a governor of New York is very trifling. He can't even think about his problems except on a specific question when he's asked.”

She said, “It's going to be terrible. He's got that dreadful Louis Howe up there. Louis Howe will poison his mind about everything. Howe hates Smith.”

“No he doesn't,” I said. “He doesn't hate Smith.”

“Yes he does. He's that kind of a sour person. It's going to be very bad.”

I even went to Bob Moses and said, “For heaven's sake, can't we get Al interested in something else?”

Naturally I got involved with my job, though, and couldn't keep running around in between people. I talked to Johnny Gilchrist about it once and he understood me. He saw that Al needed a job. He said, “He's kind of set his heart on the State of New York.”