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to see Al and who had no qualms whatever about talking to him about this terrible tragedy in his life. In the circles in which I was brought up nobody would speak to me about a thing like that. My nearest and dearest two or possibly three close friends I would tell all about it, air my grief and air my confusion and distress. But nobody else could mention it. That's the difference.

I think FDR was the same. FDR never permitted anybody to speak to him about his affliction. That was the way you shut off the offers of intimacy.

Johnny Gilchrist was a real friend of Al. They had shared everything with each other from childhood on. They were never separated. Johnny Gilchrist never asked anything for himself. He was the most unselfish man I ever knew. With Al's great advance in public life, Gilchrist still never asked anything for himself - not the slightest thing. He strove only to be of service to Al, whom he thought the world of. He really loved Al dearly.

Although George Van Names was a relatively new acquaintance of Al's and an upstate Democrat, I think he became a close personal friend.

Charlie Murphy, of course, I think Al had a kind of reverence for. He was an older man. Al had with him the same kind of friendship that anybody has with a teacher,