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a leader, an older man who has recognized your capacities, helped you develope them, helped you grow up, so to speak. He had, therefore, real friendship for him. I think there was nothing he wouldn't have talked to Murphy about - personal or political. His way of speaking always indicated that that was the case.

He also became a great personal friend of Shientag. He was one so intimate and personal that the Governor wanted him around at the most critical times. He wanted to have a chance to talk to him about things.

I don't think these relationships were changed in the early '30s. Some of these people, of course, couldn't go along with Al on his political position. I don't know how to say this to be exact about it, but I'm pretty sure that Gilchrist did not go with Al politically when he went Liberty League and when he came out for Willkie. But that didn't make any difference. Gilchrist was faithful, loyal and a true friend, all through that period and afterwards. He was a friend to the grave. He was that kind of a person. Al's changes of political views or political affiliation wouldn't have anything to do with Gilchrist's friendship for him.

I don't think these political changes imply a change in the man that would be perceptible to his true friends.