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loss that we lost this mind out of the pattern of American life.

Mrs. Roosevelt verified at some later time, and not very much later, this conversation between herself and the Governor over Mrs. Moskowitz. She expressed to me her admiration of Mrs. Moskowitz and her very sincere question as to whether the Governor could really develop as she wanted him to develop, and as she thought he could develop, if he had Mrs. Moskowitz as an associate.

The Governor spoke to Al on the telephone, rather than seeing him personally, and told him that he thought he needed a big strong man and was going to call on Guernsey Cross. Al thought that even then it wasn't necessary for her to be secretary. There were other posts for her to fill which would be helpful. He said the same. The Governor had some doubts as to whether he had been put off effectively or not. He obviously was trying to put him off and Al felt that he was rather evading the issue and pushing him off on the matter.

Al went to the Executive Mansion several times. I know from him that on several occasions he raised the question about “What have you been able to work out for Mrs. Moskowitz, because you'll really need her?” The Governor had really made up his mind that he didn't want her for reasons that