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in this mayoralty campaign. Tammany was certainly not discredited then. It was by way of being regarded as a reformed operation and much better than it had been. I don't think that anybody thought that there was anything wrong with Walker's administration, although it wasn't very inspiring.

As I've said before, I think I knew about James J. Walker through Martha Draper who had very definite views about him. I seem to remember Martha Draper talking about him in more detail that most people. That was because she was a member of the Board of Education. She was later President of the Public Education Association. As a member she was in constant attendance at the meetings of the Board of Education. She was always serving on citizens' committees about this, that or the other thing about education. She knew more about public education and paid more attention to it, did more about it than anybody I knew. That was her special field.

She was a very distinguished woman. She had a charming house in that same area where Walker lived, which was Abingdon Square. It was between Sixth Avenue and Abingdon Square and was a very charming little byway. It's on a street that you don't know is there and is very short. It had very nice, well kept brick houses with brownstone steps. They were not





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