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although it was by way of getting over. This confederation had been active and one of Mayor Hylan's first acts was to appoint Mrs. William Randolph Hearst to take charge of all welfare subjects. We had the field pre-empted and everybody was horrified at Mrs. William Randolph Hearst for some reason. We tried to confer with the mayor. We couldn't even get an appointment. I went through all the channels I knew and couldn't get an appointment to see “Red Mike” Hylan. Finally we were told to see Grover Whalen. That was the first time I'd ever heard of Grover Whalen.

So a committee of three or four of us went to see Grover Whalen. He was charming. He couldn't have been nicer. He was pleasant, agreeable, considerate and said, “This will be absolutely all right. There's no desire to cut into what you're doing. You're doing a noble work, ladies. Mrs. Hearst is just the mayor's representative. You keep right on doing what you have done.” I think he even invited us to meet him at City Hall.

We dealt with Grover Whalen from that time on. What the mayor had in mind for him originally I don't know. He came to be the social representative of the mayor. Whether he had some other kind of work in mind or not, I don't know. At least he used him as his contact man with us, with a group of citizens engaged in welfare work which was of a public,