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commission was to investigate the City of New York. He stuck to that. If the trail led definitely to a liaison where some state officer was promoting something wrong in the City of New York then I think he would have gone into it. Otherwise he wouldn't have explored it. We were in no hazard and never felt in any hazard.

However, one couldn't help observing that there was a stiff upper lip, hard-boiled, exact, rigid rule of conduct being applied. I don't, in many ways, object to that, but I also understand this other rule of conduct that some of these people apply to themselves. That's where it's very hard to be an investigator. If you understand what the impulses are that make people think it's all right to do this and that where nobody's hurt when it isn't really according to the strict code of complete honesty and ethic, you begin to feel a torn personality.

I don't think that Samuel Seabury was ever a torn personality. I don't think that he ever felt badly at having to condemn these quite good men who were kind, generous and helped out an awful lot of people out of sheer good will, but had done a number of other crooked things. I don't think he felt any tearing to pieces because of the conflict which he found in their human natures. He always impressed me as a person who perhaps took some satisfaction in doing this,