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out, get the syphillis cured, get rehabilitated and taught a trade, and helped to some kind of new work. It was strictly the right thing from every social worker's point of view, but it was not strictly legal. They got her on that.

Martin Conboy, instead of utilizing us, who were ready to testify in person, just had us write depositions as to the fine character she had. He didn't bring out at all the social work theory which would indicate how good she had been in so many of these things. I saw him let her down and at one time I said to Jean, “I think he's railroading you. Do you trust your lawyer?”

She said, “I must trust my lawyer. I'm now so deep in it that I've got to trust him. This is his advice and I've got to follow it.”

I came to the conclusion that he was very dumb. There was no earthly reason why they should sell her out. She had ceased to be of value to them politically, but there was no reason why they should sell her out. And Tammany doesn't do that kind of thing. They stand by you, as they did by me when articles of impeachment were introduced against me in Washington. It was the Tammany fellows who rose on the floor and screamed, “You can't do this.” They don't let you go.

I just made up my mind that it was Martin Conboy being dumb. So when I heard that Walker was to be defended by





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