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speak in a good many places, and I did. We worked out a good statistical analysis of just what the situation was. It was about this time that there began to creep in this idea to go after Hoover for having done nothing.

Charlie Michaelson was the great Democratic publicist around at this time. We all went to Charlie with anything we knew or heard. He listened to anything we had to say. He knew all about my attack on Hoover and said it was the best dope we ever had, though he was as innocent as a lamb about this.

As the election approached I was very busy running my department and leading my private life which had the usual confusions in it. I was incidentally interested in the Governor's Presidential ambitions. I couldn't say when I knew that Roosevelt was definitely in the running. It was one of those things that just sort of rose. It was like the way water rises by osmosis. You just felt the rising tide. You felt it must be so. I suppose it was sometime at the end of '31 that it looked to me as though it must be.

I never heard the word “brain trust” until after I came down to Washington - early in March or April when we came down here. A man came to me then who had some connection with Floyd Odlum with a number of periodicals. He was not a newspaper man, but he had some kind of connection -