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that was probably called, The History of Economic Thought, or something of that sort. Simon Patten gave it himself. I'd heard about all this, so I knew what they were talking about.

I recognized them as of German extraction. They were not the original immigrants, but must have been of the second generation by this time. Many of them spoke with a German accent. They lived in Yorkville and were very Deutsch in their attitudes and feeling. They were excellent members of society - solid, substantial citizens - and they had a good trade union.

However, this seemed just like a kind of ornamental, talking idea. They never acted like there was a class struggle. They did talk about it, however, as did the garment people when they began to have strikes and organization.

Then there was an organization called the Arbeiter Ring, from which many of these people in the garment trades appeared to have derived some of their ideas. That organization now I think is on the Attorney General's subversive list. Nobody belongs to it any more as near as I can make out. In those days I never saw a meeting of it, but I heard these working people talk about it. It was not a true insurance company, but they had sick and death benefits,