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level. In the first place, we don't know if they're constitutional. We don't know how to do them. This is a period of terrible depression. People don't want to spend any money. I don't know if he can get this legislation through. He's a new hand. I don't know whether he'll really want to do it. I don't know how much he cares about some of these things, which I care about a great deal. At any rate, I think I ought to tell him what I want to do and I ought to put it put to him - does he want those things done? Because if he embarks with me, this is the kind of advice he'll be getting.”

Though I had worked with him for four years, I didn't know whether he wanted this program, because many features of it didn't have to come to action in the State of New York during his administration. Some of them had already been done in previous administrations. We were only carrying on those. Some of them, although we had made exploratory surveys for them, like unemployment insurance, free public employment offices, allowances or pensions for the aged, had only been in the exploring and recommending stage. They hadn't come to the point where legislation could be formulated and introduced.

Although he had gone along on those programs, I did not know then actually how deeply his heart was involved