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by individuals and by groups, which more and more came to have a kind of inner core of coordinated thinking and ideas, even though they might be made from a variety of experiences. I think his adherence to those ideas was really formed that way. He was not an original thinker, but was very sensitively responsive and able to take in an idea, and at least give the nod.

I always have believed that if any of these programs had gone sour, he would not have supported them. I don't think he would have fought for things the way Truman did, for instance - stubbornly and foolishly. Truman fought for the Fair Employment Practices Act, because he had given adherence to it and he wouldn't let go. When I say stubbornly and foolishly, I mean that most of the results of such an act have been already accomplished, or at least are by way of being accomplished. The project is going - not always even or accurately, but it's going. It's one of the things that you could have let yourself out of by saying, “Well, that's practically been done.” I say that Roosevelt would have let himself out on that, and Truman never could let himself out of things like that, and one or two other things. So in some ways he was a more practical politician. Also, he had a very pressing period right on top of him.