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I remember some of this because he laughed a good deal. He would tease me about my concern about these people when I was putting it in concrete terms. He said, “How will you promote it?”

“Well,” I said, “you can persuade people to do a lot of things. I don't know how we could do it, but I would want to persuade these states. I don't yet know what the relationship is between the states and the federal government at the Labor Department level.”

I remember his saying, “What do you think it is?”

I said, “From my experience, as Labor Commissioner of the State of New York, with the federal Department of Labor, the relationships are rotten. They're terrible. We just hate seeing the United States Department of Labor come into New York for any reason whatsoever. Every now and then they send up somebody to inspect the one employment office they've got and they take up my time talking to me. And then every now and then when there's a strike that's very nearly settled, a couple of elderly United States mediators hop in here and mix it all up. That's all we know about the Department of Labor and I assure you that every other state that I know anything about, meaning Massachusetts, New Jersey, Wisconsin, Connecticut, feels the same way. We don't want to see the federals around. So I think the relations are poor.”