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when they introduced themselves. Seven people came up. The only man who didn't say he was in charge of immigration was the man who bore the title of Chief of the Immigration Service. He just said, “My name is Harry Hull.”

I said, “What is your title?”

He said, “My title is Chief of the Immigration Service.” He never said, “I'm in charge of immigration,” and he wasn't! There were seven different people that were.

Among the persons who had introduced themselves to me in this line of people that came along was the man whom Lieutenant Newman had warned me about. Down the line came this man - a sharp-looking, shrewd, dark-haired person - who said, “My name is Mrray Garsson. I'm in charge of immigration.” By this time at least four or five others had been in charge of immigration, so I ceased to be surprised about that. I don't believe I even questioned him, because by this time I had been struck by the fact that everybody was in charge of immigration and that apparently it was the only thing anybody could think of to do around the Department of Labor.

Murray Garsson's name struck home because Lieutenant Newman had warned me about him. Lieutenant Newman was a police lieutenant in New York City. He was either in charge of, or second in command in, what was called the Bureau of





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