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a gun in the hearing room. I was not holding the hearing, but one of the referees was holding the hearing. I had been sitting in the hearing room because he was a new referee. I was there move or less to accommodate him to the situation and partly to give confidence to the claimants whose cases had been heard originally by me and were now going to be heard by this referee, or continue to be heard by him. The representative of the Travelers Insurance Company was cross-questioning this tall “black Irishman”, with the longest hands and fingers I ever saw - great prehensile hands - and with a blaring, glaring eye. All of a sudden this man sprang to his feet and began to curse at this representative of the Travelers Insurance Company, who was a very small, delicate man. This insurance man was a nice fellow who had been an actor at one time and had taken to the insurance business and law afterwards. His actor's training stood right by him at that moment. He knew how to act as though he hadn't noticed it. He was standing and when this Irishman leaped up, he never moved an inch or a muscle. He just turned his back and walked off to the window, although the Irishman put his hands out as though to strangle him. That was the motion he made.

There was a little railing in the room. When I saw this, I walked around this little railing and out into the middle part of the hearing room. I saw that this fellow had





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